Natural treatment for ankylosing spondylitis and inflammatory arthritis

When I was diagnosed with Ankylosing Spondylitis (AS), and told by doctors it is an auto-immune disease, a form of inflammatory arthritis, for which the cause is unknown, and treatment consists of ‘heavy drugs’, I was devastated.  Google searches didn’t yield up more information, and it took me a long time to uncover effective, natural ways of treating the disease. In the process, I also discovered that the causes are in fact known to some researchers. This article covers the best of what I know about AS and how to manage it.

(By the way, please read all the way to the end before you leave a comment.)

Natural Treatment with Vinegar

After my first post on my old blog about AS, one of my readers, John, left a comment telling me that drinking apple cider vinegar removed all his symptoms of AS. This has been life-changing for me. Vinegar is the best treatment I have found, and after a year on vinegar, I still feel great.

It seems vinegar was suggested by Margaret Hills, back in the 1950s, in her book about inflammatory arthritis. From her nursing training, she understood that inflammation is a build up of acid. It’s the acid that gradually damages our joints if we don’t get rid of the inflammation. She also knew that when you consume vinegar, it becomes alkaline in the body. So her theory was that the alkaline vinegar would neutralise the acidic inflammation. Lots of people with all kinds of inflammatory arthritis have found relief this way, thanks to her book on the topic.

Instructions for how to take apple cider vinegar:

Use live, raw vinegar, with the cultures in it. If you see little strings or sediment, that’s a good sign. Any kind of vinegar is fine, though apple cider vinegar apparently offers many other health benefits. I personally make my own vinegar by fermenting kombucha for longer and prefer to drink that. It’s full of probiotic cultures and kombucha is also reputed to have a wonderful detox effect.

Put 1-2 tablespoons of vinegar in a glass and top up with water. Never drink vinegar straight or you’ll burn your insides. Drink, and follow immediately with plain water to rinse out your mouth. Leaving vinegar on your teeth 2-4 times a day can erode the enamel on your teeth, so always wash it off. You can also drink it through a straw, taking care not to get vinegar on your teeth. This a bit intense at the back of your throat.

When you first start taking vinegar, it will feel very sour, so put less vinegar in your glass, and gradually work up to larger amounts.  My kombucha vinegar is much milder than the apple cider vinegar from the shop so I put more in the glass.  I aim to have it as sour as I can stand.

Margaret Hills suggests adding honey, and using warm water so the honey will dissolve, to make it easier and pleasanter to drink. I prefer to use stevia drops instead, as they have no calories.

I’ve found I do best if I have 4 glasses of vinegar-water a day. I have a glass on rising, another mid-morning, one mid-afternoon, and a final glass before or after dinner. These days I put it all in a one litre drink bottle along with 5 drops of stevia and a teaspoon of Vitamin C. The Vitamin C helps me fight off colds – it’s not for the AS. But I’ve noticed that having it in my drink bottle is more effective than taking a single dose of Vitamin C morning or night. I have noticed with the vinegar water that if I drink the entire litre, say, in the morning, it works just as effectively as if I spread it evenly over the day. But I find this makes me feel a little nauseous on an empty stomach so it’s best for me to sip it slowly after food.

My favourite way to drink it is with this recipe I copied from a Braggs drink:

In a one-litre bottle place 4 tbsp apple cider vinegar, ginger infusion (I grate ginger and steep it in boiling water then strain – I keep a bottle of this in the fridge ready to go), 40 drops of stevia, and then top it up with water. This is delicious like a soft drink – but a bit intense for every day. I use only 5 drops of stevia most days.

How long does it take to work and who will it help?

It took about 5 days before I started to feel better. After that, for the next 10 days, every day was a little better. Apparently it takes a whole month to get the maximum benefit of this remedy.

This remedy helps all kinds of inflammatory arthritis, including rheumatoid arthritis and reactive arthritis. It should remove inflammation, so pain associated with inflammation should be reduced or disappear. It won’t help pain that is caused by damage to your joints that has already occurred though.

Natural Treatment with Diet

Before I discovered the vinegar treatment, I managed my AS by eating a starch-free, lactose-free diet.  Since starting vinegar, I’ve found I can eat starch and lactose, and my symptoms are better than they were when I followed the diet, but some readers of my blog have reported that they do better by following both the diet and the vinegar treatment, or they prefer the diet than the vinegar.

A starch-free diet is a restrictive, difficult regimen to follow, but the pain and degenerative problems caused by AS can be a very good motivator if the diet works.  Unfortunately starch-free diets are pretty-much unheard of in our society, so it can be challenging to work out exactly what you can eat and what you can’t. I found that eating only the tiniest amount of starch (a single breadcrumb, or a pea) was enough to set off my symptoms dramatically, so it took some time of following a very strict diet, and gradually adding in one food at a time, to discover what foods I could eat and what I couldn’t.

Everyone’s body responds differently to the diet, so if you are trying to make this work and struggling with it, I would suggest starting with a very limited diet of foods known to be starch free, and after the pain has reduced, add in one new food at a time, observing your pain levels the day after adding in the new food. Some people tolerate lactose fine, others need to eliminate that from their diet as well. I will list here what I ate on this diet as I found this sort of info on others’ blogs incredibly helpful in designing my diet.

I could eat:

Rice: glutinous rice – both black and white. Glutinous rice has a different-shaped starch molecule than regular starch, and in me it didn’t trigger my symptoms.

Vegetables: broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, leek, brown onion, lettuce, rocket, celery, spinach, silverbeet, red and yellow capsicum, carrot, pumpkin, fennel, zucchini, avocado.

Fruits: tomatoes, berries, papaya, grapes, apples, pears, pineapple, melons, passionfruit, persimmon, mango, coconut, citrus fruits (juiced and well peeled are fine but avoid the white pith).

Protein:
All unprocessed meat
Seafood (unprocessed only)
Eggs
Blanched almonds
Pine nuts
Sesame seeds

Dairy:
Butter
Dry curd cottage cheese
Milk, cream and yoghurt to which I had added 10 drops of Lacteeze per litre, and left to sit in the fridge for 2 days. Lacteeze is a product consisting of lactase enzymes, which over the course of two days, consume the lactose in the milk and convert it to glucose. The resulting milk is pleasantly sweeter as a result. Be sure to purchase Lacteeze drops, not a tablet or powdered form, which may contain starch.

Condiments:
Sea salt
Mustard
All herbs
Garlic infused oil (remove garlic before serving)
Spice infused oil (remove spices before serving)
Fish sauce,
soy sauce,
tamari
Vinegar
Honey (a little sugar is ok)

Fats: olive oil, coconut oil, butter, lard, animal fat.

I couldn’t eat:

Grains (wheat, non-glutinous (normal) rice, spelt, corn, etc)

Starchy vegetables & fruit:
Peas
beans
potato
sweet potato
beetroot
banana

Processed meat such as sausages or salami unless I could guarantee it was made without starchy ingredients

Nuts or seeds other than blanched almonds

Dairy products with lactose:
Milk
Yoghurt
Soft cheeses
White cheese 

Thickened sauces such as oyster sauce or ketjap manis, or processed curry pastes

Condiments:
Ginger
garlic
pepper
spices.

A typical day of meals:

On rising: 1 tsp cod liver oil in dissolved in freshly squeezed orange juice. (Fish oil apparently helps arthritis.)

Breakfast: Lactose free yoghurt, milk and cream (made the same way as yoghurt), muesli made from finely chopped activated blanched almonds, dried coconut, black sesame seeds, and dark coloured fruit such as berries, peaches, apricots, papaya.

Mid morning: Vegetable juice made with kale and beet leaves from my garden, beetroot and apple, or a cup of warm bone broth (stock) with fish sauce and vinegar added.

Lunch: big plate of vegies or salad, with some eggs, meat or fish, topped with at least a tablespoon of butter.  Sometimes soup. Sometimes black glutinous rice with eggs and greens.

Mid afternoon: Activated blanched almonds and dried fruit.  (If I didn’t eat almonds twice a day I crave carbohydrates.  And I can’t get through the afternoon without a snack.)

Dinner: Another big plate of vegies, often a roast or a stew, with meat or fish, and plenty of butter.

Dessert: I often craved something in the evenings, and when the cravings were high, I’d eat either a bowl of fruit with lactose-free cream, or else I have a homemade icypole made with egg yolk, lactose-free cream or dry curd cottage cheese, strawberries and honey.

Drinks: through the day I drank two glasses of lactose-free milk, 1-2 glasses rejuvelac, 2 or more glasses beetroot kvass, and sometimes I had a herbal tea such as roibos or the korean corn tea.

About glutinous rice

I read on an AS blog that glutinous rice is made up of a different form of starchy molecule – amylopectin, while most starchy products are made up of amylose.  Apparently klebsiella bacteria can consume amylose but not amylopectin!  Glutinous rice is made up of amylopectin, not amylose, so theoretically it should be safe for those of us with AS to eat.  My first attempts at this failed – I bought a black rice which I thought was glutinous rice, but now I think was actually not glutinous.  At first it was fine but after a while my klebsiella evolved and I began to get symptoms from it. I then sourced a proper glutinous rice and had no symptoms from eating that over a longer term.

Diet issues

While once I had adjusted to the diet, I was okay on it for a year, but after that I think some stores of nutrition became depleted, because I found it increasingly difficult to follow, especially living without wheat.  I  noticed that when I didn’t eat wheat for a long time, I began to get desperate cravings.  It felt like having low blood sugar.  If I ignored it, my symptoms become progressively worse, so that I became extremely ill.  If I broke my diet and eat wheat, I felt better, so much better, and all my cravings would go away again, for about ten days. When I tried to quit dairy I found the same experience. Some people seem to do fine on this diet and don’t report the problems I felt, and I never did get to the bottom of how to handle it.

About Ankylosing Spondylitis And Its Causes

AS is a form of inflammatory arthritis, where your joints become inflamed. When you have the fluid of inflammation sitting around your joints for long enough, eventually that liquid erodes the cartilage that protects your joints.  Once the cartilage is eroded, the damage is irreversible, and also very painful.  So it’s important to treat the AS in some way – leaving it untreated will eventually lead to permanent joint damage and pain.

When Google searches for natural treatment for AS didn’t yield up anything for me, my family urged me to do some proper medical research.  My sister showed me how to search online medical journals, to see what the very latest research was for AS.  I also noticed that AS was often grouped with other auto-immune diseases such as MS, and broadened my search to see what was helping auto-immune diseases in general.  I started making a habit of trawling the medical journals at night once my son was in bed. If you’d like to read more about how to DIY your own medical research, I’ve written about that here.

It took me two months, but eventually I found IT – the answer. Here’s the real deal on AS.  There is a rheumatologist in the UK, a Dr Alan Ebringer, who has been researching AS for 35 years, and has published nearly sixty research papers.  I have read several of his papers and can see how he slowly built up a picture that explained AS and how to treat it through diet.

Ankylosing Spondylitis (AS) is a form of reactive arthritis that follows an infection by the bacteria klebsiella pnuemonae.  The disease only occurs in people who have the HLA-B27 gene (which I do).  Although 5% of AS patients do not have the gene – Ebringer thinks that the disease in these patients is actually a different entity.  Klebsiella pnuemonae is remarkably similar in molecular make up to the HLA-B27 gene.  Hence, when the body makes antibodies to klebsiella, the antibodies also

Klebsiella is in the digestive tracts of 40% of people, and tends to be an opportunistic bacteria that creates disease in people whose immunity is lowered.  I now believe that I came down with a klebsiella infection in May 2008, at a time when my immune system was in very low state, just before I changed my diet to traditional foods.  I had a very sudden onset of high fever, chills and terrible cough, which is consistent with the symptoms of community-caught klebsiella infection.   I was so ill that I still clearly remember the day that I came down with it.  It took me three months to recover, and despite visiting the doctor and being suspected as having whooping cough, the tests came back negative for this.  I now know that commercial labs don’t have a test for klebsiella, which explains why I wasn’t diagnosed at the time.  Several months later I started experiencing symptoms of AS.

If klebsiella could be eradicated from my digestive tract long term, it’s likely that my immune system would register the invader as gone, and would stop attacking the B27 genes.  However, killing them with antibiotics doesn’t help, because the bacteria is so prevalent in our community that they tend to return.  Sulphasalazine is a drug with (often) unpleasant side effects that is commonly used to treat AS.  It kills klebsiella, which is now thought to be the reason for its (somewhat) effectiveness.  However, when sulphasalazine is discontinued, symptoms tend to return within some weeks or months, likely because the klebsiella have recolonised the digestive tract.  Klebsiella feeds on starch, so removing their food source in my digestive  tract can starve/subdue them, resulting in a lowered immune reaction.  When we eat starch, some of it tends to remain undigested in the digestive tract, creating in an abundant food source for the klebsiella.  Clinical experience has shown that low starch diets help all patients with AS.  Lactose is a secondary food source for klebsiella so elimination of lactose is also essential for some people.

In clinical practise, all 600 of his patients have shown high levels of klebsiella, and those who have managed to adhere to a low starch diet (reduced intake of flour and potatoes) have shown a significant improvement in symptoms, although damage done by the disease cannot be undone.

Crohn’s disease is also associated with AS.  Patients with Crohn’s also have antibodies to the klebsiella bacterium.  It is thought that Crohn’s disease and symptoms of Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) are part of the AS spectrum.  Low starch diets also help people with Crohn’s disease.

One of Ebringer’s patients, Carol Sinclair, who has both AS and IBS, has written a book, The IBS Low Starch Diet, which reveals how to manage this diet.  She suggests eradicating all grains, cereals, lentils and pulses from the diet.  If symptoms remain or recur, then eliminate rice and potato products (including sweet potato).  Should symptoms remain or recur, then eliminate numerous other foods which include low levels of starch, including cooked vegetables and spices.  There is a simple test to determine the starch level of a food.  Buy iodine from a chemist, and place a drop on the food.  If it contains starch, the colour of the iodine will change.  It darkens from orange to shades ranging from inky blue to black.  Some fruits and vegetables that are picked unripe (such as many found in supermarkets) contain high levels of starch, but have no starch when picked at full ripeness.  Some vegetables develop starch in cooking but are starch-free in their raw state (actually the starch is present in the raw state but shielded by an “envelope” that goes through the digestive tract undamaged; cooking destroys the envelope and releases the starch).  The iodine test assists in determining which foods are safe to eat.

The goal of the diet is to find out which and how much starch needs to be eliminated to maintain a pain-free, symptom-free life.  Not everyone needs to eliminate all starch.  One AS sufferer reports that after a strict no starch diet for 5 months, eating only meat, fish, vegetables, salad and fruit, he has been able to reintroduce bread, but cannot eat pasta, potatoes or rice.  Carol herself has found that over time she has needed to eliminate more foods in order to keep her symptoms under control.

Following a low starch diet generally results in remission from AS and symptoms, but is not a “cure” for the disease, since once we have antibodies to klebsiella, they are always able to attack the B27 gene.  It’s a matter of encouraging the immune system to register that there is no threat from klebsiella at this time, to minimise antibody activity.

When I started eating a no-starch, low-lactose diet, and the difference was remarkable.  All sorts of weird pains and symptoms disappeared instantly (e.g. I’d twisted my ankle some time before, and had pain in my foot for months – this resolved itself immediately when I changed my diet).  At first the changes were very difficult, and I found it hard to feel satisfied after a meal.  Now I accept that without grains and starches to fill me up, I don’t get that really “full” feeling after a meal, but my food DOES give me the energy I need to carry me through to the next meal.

A bit more about AS

Thanks to a suggestion by someone who commented on my blog, I bought and read Micah Cranman’s book / DVD package.  I would recommend this resource to anyone with AS, though I wouldn’t go as far as to say that my AS is in remission as a result of his book.  My AS is not in remission at all, it is simply managed through drinking vinegar.  The diet is the same as the one I’ve already described here on my blog (for free) – starch free.  Micah does go into a bit more detail about a few ingredients which I was previously unable to find out whether they were starchy or not.  I found that helpful.

He also advises that a first step towards improving your AS is to take fish oil – he recommends krill oil.  I went out and bought some and started taking it, but had no improvement at all as a result.  But then I realised that I already take cod liver oil every morning, and probably this fulfills the same function.  So I’ve probably already got the benefit that can be had from fish oils.  But a note to those of you out there with AS, experiment with fish oils.

I’d love to hear from you.

Since I started telling people about AS, I’ve discovered almost everyone seems to know someone who suffers from the weird problems of joint pain, digestive troubles and skin troubles.  Or they know someone who has already been diagnosed with AS.  Since rheumatologists here in Australia don’t seem to know about Ebringer’s research, feel free to spread the word and let people with AS know about this article.  Ebringer has started a forum for people to share their progress and diet tips, and it’s a great place to start.  Carol Sinclair’s book is another good starting point.

If you have AS or know someone who does, please leave a comment to share your story. I sometimes get people asking me to give guidance or help them with their condition. Sorry, but I’m not a doctor and can’t do that. The purpose of my blog is to give you information so that you can use it to help yourself.

231 thoughts on “Natural treatment for ankylosing spondylitis and inflammatory arthritis

  1. lloykera

    I have been diagnosed with AS but I do not carry the gene. In your article it says “Although 5% of AS patients do not have the gene – Ebringer thinks that the disease in these patients is actually a different entity.” Have you run across any other information about this? Where you have the gene i guess you probably aren’t researching otherwise,but I thought it was worth a shot to ask. Great information and thanks for sharing.

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    1. Asphyxia Post author

      Sorry I don’t know more about that than what I have put in the article. Some others who have commented here said they were HLA-B27 negative but still had good results from no starch diet.

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    2. Melinda D Magee

      I too dont carry the gene and have many questions as to whether I really have this disease. The doctors are clueless and I go the best AS clinic in Canada. If you find anything could you kindly share with me. Wishing you luck.

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  2. Paul Beatty

    Hello there,

    I’m so glad I happened to stumble across this page, I’m 29 years old and have been dealing with AS since I turned 18.

    It’s so good to finally get more information about what the actual cause of this ‘pain in the butt bone’ condition is! I’ve had a very bad experience with sulphursalazine in 2010 which pretty much shut my liver down.

    Since then I’ve managed, or tried to, with aryuveda, NSAID’s at times and a cordial of ginger and turmeric.. with the ginger and turmeric having the most effective effects after taking it for two to three weeks.

    I’ve just started the apple cider vinegar and need to make changes to my diet too.

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  3. Declan

    Hi
    First of all many thanks for this blog!
    I have had AS for over 20 years and am on pred and other stuff. I stumbled onto a guy with a similar diet to the starch free diet, Dr Osborne, I followed his gluten free diet. It changed my life, i also tried the starch free diet with less effect (http://drpeterosborne.com/). However I think the two are very close, leaving out the gluten was a major step in reducing my illness. It reduced the swelling all over especially my knees, i had more energy etc
    I am now going to ad the cod liver oil and the vinegar to see if that makes a difference and will get back to you.
    Many thanks
    Declan

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    1. Lori

      Braggs makes a good one that is organic and has the ‘mother’. I don’t suppose there’s too much difference if there is another product that has that, and is organic so you’re not adding chemical pesticides. Like she said, look for the gunk at the bottom of the jar.

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  4. thebestof1986

    The research done by Dr John E. Sarno about TMS ( painful condition of muscles/tendons) explains root cause of inflammation and how to treat it. He wrote four books about healing and helped to cure houndreds of patients. It involves quite a dose of psychological introspection and the results are remarkable. Otherwise I would recommend http://www.peterwinslow.com who beat AS 14 years ago and wrote inspirational books about it. He works as coach and counsellor. He also started an AS Victors facebook group where you can get support from others who walk this path of healing. I wish you health, peace of mind and prosperity.

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  5. Jennifer

    Thank you all for these helpful and hopeful posts. My daughter (23 years old) was recently diagnosed with AS after a few years of severe pain and flare-ups. I have been researching like mad and this blog and everyone’s responses are so greatly appreciated. She will try the ACV along with the supplements and will report back. Best of luck to all of you.

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  6. Virginia

    Thank you so much for all the information that you have posted in your story. And all of you that have left comments I have learned from you also. I was recently diagnosed with AS, and tested positive for the gene HLA B27 but have suffered with joint pain mostly in my wrists for 11 months now. I am a hairdresser so this has become extremely difficult for me at work. The first drug that was prescribed was a sulfa drug the second one I believe is a biologic. Was told it could cause permanent eye damage. I had many side effects with the first drug the second drug was just not an option. And then I came upon your article. I am on the Apple cider vinegar two weeks now. I’m not noticing much difference yet with the pain. But I definitely know what you mean by flareup. I believe that came from eating wheat. I am now going to add in the starch free diet to see if it gives me some relief. I am also taking fish oil and Tumeric. A product called relief factor is supposed to help with joint pain. I believe the Apple cider vinegar is helping me with my IBS and I’m losing a little bit of weight around my middle. I’m going to continue with the Apple cider vinegar and start the starch free diet for a couple more weeks. Your blog has given me hope that I don’t have to live on horrible drugs for the rest of my life. Thank you for posting everything that you know about AS!

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  7. Kathleen

    I have been suffering with AS for nearly 25 years. I was on Humira for the last six years. My blood work has been “off” according to my doc. Now I want off of the Humira. What antibiotic were you given, dose, and for how long? How did you convince your doc to try the antibiotic? I think my docs will scoff at me.

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  8. aaron korbs

    Hi there! I have been diagnosed with AS a few months ago, currently I’m on NSAIDS. I have pain in quite a few joints/ tendons, ranging from knees, achilles tendon, and bottom/toes of both feet. I have been trying this diet for about 3 weeks now, I was wondering if there was any time frame as to when I would start feeling the affects? I still have the same amount of pain as before, So I am starting to consider if it is worth it. I will give it atleast a months time total, just wanted to hear your opinion. Thanks!!

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    1. Asphyxia Post author

      I think you’d see a difference in diet after just 1 week. At first when I tried the diet I didn’t get any effect and I thought it wasn’t working. Then I realised that I was doing things that messed it up. Only the TINIEST bit of starch ruins everything. I took one spirulina tablet in the morning, or ate two peas.. and then it didn’t work. Maybe try a super stringent diet of things you KNOW are starch free for about a week, then start adding things in slowly and see what effect they have on you?

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    2. thebestof1986

      Hi, sorry to hear about your AS. You will be better, I am sure. What helps me most from my pain (and I am diagnosed with AS, but got rid of pain completely in a year without medicine last 11 months) is to do Vipassana meditation course and then to observe my thought and melt away those negative ones by focusing and DOING activities that bring me joy. Hope you are pain free very soon too. If I could be of any help, let me know.

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  9. aaron korbs

    Also, meant to mention, I have been doing the ACV as well, but only 2 table spoons per cup and twice a day, should I increase it? I was originally a little scared of taking too much, and thought that maybe 4 times a day was too much for the body. I know you are doing it, but just wasn’t sure…
    Thanks,
    Aaorn

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    1. Asphyxia Post author

      I haven’t had much effect from 2 tbsp of vinegar per day. I needed at least 3 tbsp to see a difference. 4 is ideal for me. And I’ve noticed it doesn’t matter what time of day I drink it. Just get it down some time.

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      1. Virginia

        When you say 3 tbsp or 4 is that in 8 ounces of water three times a day? This might be why I haven’t been getting that much relief. I have been taking 2 tbsp in 8 ounces of water 3 to 4 times a day. Also in reading about Margaret Hill she took molasses every day. Do you do that? I don’t understand what effect that would have.

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    1. Asphyxia Post author

      I gave it a go but didn’t notice any improvement. That doesn’t mean it wouldn’t help other people though. Maybe it just means I didn’t have a boron deficiency.

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  10. Jan

    Hi! Thanks for your post. It’s so helpful. I wonder if you heardabout the Curcumin phospholipid formula’s like the Meriva. I haven’t yet bben diagnosed but I’ve just started taking it in case I do have AS (hope not) or arthritis. My symptoms are just intense back pain that wakes me up after 4.5-6 hours of sleep and disappears pretty fast after getting up. Also gonna start the diet (not an issue, I’ve been a 80% fruitarian anyway, but eat too much bananas and too often potatoes) and the vinegar! Gonna keep you all updated! Thanks ❤

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    1. Yan Krendel

      Hi, just wanted to update that after about a week of vinegar and curcumin my pain is almost completely gone. Well, it’s kinda there but just a bit and after about 8 hours of sleep (instead of 4,5) which is a life saving improvement. I’m also on a starch free diet. I’ve noticed that when I ate starch or white sugar it became worse, even though I had my vinegar and curcumin. I’m still waiting for my MRI.

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  11. Fia

    Thank you so much! I have just been diagnosed with AS, like one week ago. I had pain and symptoms for more than 9 years but its just now that doctors understood the source of my pain. I have always had pain from the buttock down the leg, kind of a nerve pain that would prevent me from walking, sitting and lying down. Recently together with that pain, i also had uveitis, that’s when doctors did tests etc and realised i have AS.
    I am so glad i found your blog as i want to tackle this monster the natural way.
    Thanks again, i will definitely research more, read books such as the ones you recommended and also try changing my diet.

    Regards,
    Fia

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    1. carol

      Amy Myers puts out a great book on Auto Immune and gives great detail on what triggers it and ways to attack it naturally. You can get it on Amazon, reading it now. My Son was just diagnosed in Jan 2017 and doing the no starch diet, no dairy or gluten. Taking a good anti inflammatory vitamins and probiotics, a food enzyme, bone broth is great if dealing with a leaky gut, as most Auto immune comes form the gut health. 25 percent genetic and 75 percent lifestyle and environmentally.

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    2. carol

      Amy Meyers has a great book out on Auto Immune and dealing with it Naturally. She is a MD Doctor and and leader in Functional Medicine.. She focuses on the many things that lead up to having an Auto Immune diagnoses and how to prevent from getting more Auto Immune diseases as when you have one you can get more. Gives great memu plans and process in keeping the inflammation down so you do not have the flares and the pain. She is all natural approach. Can get her book on Amazon

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    3. poojashenoy

      Hey Fia, I just came across your comment and was wondering if you’re still seeking treatment for AS. There’s a type of treatment called Siddha, which is an ancient Indian science. This treatment method isn’t as popular as Allopathy or Ayurveda thanks to the politics of healthcare, but I sure think it’s worth exploring. It uses natural therapy and nerve simulations to treat AS. It’s proven to be effective without causing any side effects. It’s also non-surgical. In case you’d like to know more about it check this out – http://www.chakrasiddh.com/

      Regards,
      Pooja

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    1. thebestof1986

      Hi, I have had as for 8 years and within the last year since I was diagnosed I got rid of pain by few retrospective techniques. One is writing a diary in a way you write it truly only for yourself. Your believes, opinions, worries and joys. Another one was cutting on gluten and starch heavily. The most important one was coming up with the activity that brought me the most joy and the first step/exercise on the way back to it. I haven’t had a painkiller or any other medicine for almost a year. Whatever you believe I know you get through this and will come out painless, fearless and totally confident because you are enough, you do enough and you have enough. You will not only heal but you will thrive! I am a yoga teacher and for some years I stopped to believe I would ever teach a class again but I have started to teach again and love it even better than before. Whatever you love, stick to it, be deaf to your worries and you make it! Hope this helps. May you heal and thrive again!

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  12. martin rice

    Arthritis is a disease of inflammation which can cause pain and disabling. People of all ages and sexes can have arthritis. Natural Home Remedies for Arthritis provide you a safer alternative to treat arthritis than relying solely on prescription and over- the- counter drugs. Ayurveda has solutions for all type of diseases and it works effectively on arthritis. Using Ayurvedic Remedies for Arthritis will be a good option to reduce swelling and pain which can cause arthritis.

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  13. Carol

    My son 27 has just been told he has AS from the blood work the DR did. Waiting to see specialist. Something that has really helps are essentials oils. I have been doing a inflamatory protocol on his spine of a few differant oils and they are making a differance in how he is feeling. It has been month and a half from when his hip pain started majorly. Working with Dr in regaards to the supplements he is taking that have whole foods and anti inflamatory products in them. This has been quite overwhelming and I am glad I cam across this blog. Have read alot on this AS and the side effects o fthe drugs are nasty. Still lots of questions my Son has and learning more as he finds out more. I am a health care aide and want to understand what AS is about as then I share and be supportive to my Son and others. Will refer him to this blog. And I want to continue to check the blog out too.

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  14. Kathy Ferguson

    Thanks …. This article has really unpacked AS for me. I have HBL-A27 and was diagnosed with AS about nine months ago. I had been seeing my GP for several years as the pain and stiffness continued to spread. I’m 56. My daughter 26 was diagnosed before me (different GP) Her diagnosis led me to ‘dig deeper’. I began taking Apple cider vinegar daily about 6 weeks ago but have also been on Humira for a similar time. I find it difficult to follow starch/ lactose diet but have cut back. Thanks to your advice I will take more doses of Apple cider vinegar and up my intake of fish oil. Thanks again😉

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  15. Esther

    Hi I am esther. I have just run across your blog I found it very interesting my 43 years old son has been diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitis he has been diagnosed a little more than one year ago all this time that has gone by he has not found any treatment for it but recently he talk to a doctor which we had a very difficult time to make him go to find a doctor for this matter and this doctor said he needs to start treatment right away which I understand he’s going to do within the next two weeks or less he’s going to start some kind of injections called Humira that is going to be either once or twice a month…. unfortunately my son also has a condition called diverticulitis this problem he’s had for a extremely long time he is battling with this also. My son does not like to take medications and does not like to go to doctors for examinations or test of any type that’s why we have had such a difficult time in talking him into starting some type of treatment. I am going to try to talk him into trying the apple cider vinegar and trying the diet that I have read about in your blog I hope he’s going to give it a try but I do have a question I was wondering if you or anyone else out there has Ever Ben treated for As with Humera ? And If you have any more information on the apple cider vinegar or the diet for As please let me know I am leaving you my email address thank you.

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    1. thebestof1986

      Hi Esther,

      Thank you for your curiosity. You are a great help to your son. I understand your concerns about the condition of your son. I have been diagnosed with AS two years ago after 8 years of difficulties and since the diagnose and my extensive research on the topic online and with professionals in the field I have been through transition from swollen painful hips, very stiff lower back and repetitive eye infections to pain-free and medicine-free times that I am very thankful for. If your son would like to have a friend to talk to who would give him a support for his own decisions I am happy to exchange email with him. It can be done without medicine but there are few things to think about. As I mentioned before I walked the way to drug-free version myself and had a very supportive friend along the way and it helped me so much. I am happy to share with your son what I have learned along the way. My contact is kkleris and that is on gmail.com. I am looking forward to hear from him. Tell him from me, that he is strong and smart enough to find the way from this maze of pain! Klara

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      1. Zain

        Hi esther, I just wanted to hear how you managed pain. Mine is unbearable even though am taking lots of meds, doing exercises too

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      2. thebestof1986

        Hi Zain, I find speed writing very useful. I set timer on 20 minutes and take a notebook or blank sheets of paper and write by hand as fast as I can so I have no time to think about my words. By that method the controlling mind is not active and the true unconscious thoughts are coming up. It’s absolutely ok if the writing is negative, vylgar, depressive or whatever. Nobody is going to read it so you can express all your feelings. If you give it a try let me know if you felt any benefits❤

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      3. Zain

        Hi, I just wanted to hear how you managed pain. Mine is unbearable even though am taking lots of meds, doing exercises too

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    2. Carol faye skinner

      Have a friend who is on Humera and has not had any major side effects, she was on a couple of other ones and the Humera has been the best, she feel good on it. She has been on it for six years., She is 50

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  16. Zain

    Hi, I have been diagnosed with AS since a few years now. The pain was controlled with anti inflammatories. But this year it didnt calm down with these medications. i had to start metrotrexate and salazopirin. i also swim and do physio. I had a cortisone shot in my ankle but the pain is still here. I have tried ACV but have not found much help. i drank half of the ACV in around 3 weeks. i also take curcumin often. Cooking a low starch diet seem a bit difficult as the whole family would not eat starch free. What advice could you give me please? Life is very hard at the moment because the pain is unbearable.

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  17. Harika

    Thank you very much Asphyxia for the useful post. I’d also like to share some information with everyone. I have been on a long term flare and tried The Myers’ Way diet through which some arthritis/autoimmune patients seem to find relief, but found it very difficult to follow as it required me to manage my complicated relationship with food. Based on my research & discussions with my rheumatologist, probiotics, fish oil, vitamins & some minerals (esp. B, D, zinc, magnesium & collagen, L-Glutamine-was great for curbing my cravings) might also be useful. Recently, I have also discovered although sleep, stres management, a healthy diet and exercise are all important pillars in treating AS, there are other ways to healing such as neurowiring the brain for healing which seems to be scientifically supported as well. So, I’m about to try Joe Dispenza’s online meditations, recommmended by a friend who eliminated her long-term pain and symptoms through meditations & a neurowiring program. I am also reading Joe Dispenza’s ‘You are the Placebo’ right now, and it has interesting insights into chronic pain and solutions people with AS could find interesting and hopeful. ‘Wired for Healing’ by Annie Hopper is another book that could help AS patients. Good luck everyone!

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  18. Arlene

    Hello Asphyxia 🙂 I am thankful to came across your blog. I was just diagnosed with AS this year and I did not know where to start. My rheumatologist wanted me to start Biologic therapy which includes immunosuppressant medicines and all. I am half-hearted to go with it because I found it hard to afford it and aside from that am so afraid for other adverse or side effects that it will do to my system. Right now, I am feeling that my life has been taken away from me with all the pain, limitation of activities, and pursuing my dreams. As now, all I have is the support from my family, hope, and positive thinking. I am looking for alternative therapy for AS, I hope that the way you managed it, will also work for me.
    Thanks a lot for sharing your stories. I will try ACV regimen and start a low starch to starch free diet. It will be a big adjustment but I pray that it will work for me.
    Have a wonderful day and I hope I could share updates too

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    1. carol

      My son too was just diagnosed i with AS ( which is a leg of RA, he has the gene too., he is 27. he also is trying the natural way, is doing the diet and no dairy, wheat,. doing yoga and exercise in water and taking a anti inflammatory whole food vitamin, also doing Essential oils (pure) massaged on his spine once a week that address inflammation. Is up and down but mostly up. Also taking a probiotic and a food enzyme to help food break down better so the intestine does not have to work as harrd. Going to have blood work soon as it has been a month or so, sees Rhuem at end of month. Will post how his result are and you keep posting as more people find what works it all helps each other What we hafe heard is most people do tolerate the MTX but it does have some not so nice side effects, but most don get them. Another good site is health unlocked, is a great blog on RA and many other diseases . Real people sharing there ups and downs and experiences

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    2. Carol

      Read my comment on what my Son is doingfor his AS and has been continuely improving. If you want more detail on the product he is using leave a comment. Thanks

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      1. Clever Clogs

        Hello Carol
        Can you please post in detail about the products your son has been using for AS. What vitamins and What Essential Oils.

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      2. Carol

        He has been Using Doterra Essential Oils and the Life Long Vitality Vitamins, if you want to email me at carol.skinner@live.ca then I can send you the info sheets on the products and so forth. Doterra is the number one Essential Oils company in the World. I can also share how to get them wholesale and save 25 percent.

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      3. carol skinner

        Hi Clever Clogs, did leave a comment for you , Not sure which Country you are in but I did post a email and feel free to contact me and quite willing to share the products info with you.

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      4. thebestof1986

        Hi Carol, what helped me most is the Investor of Joy. Which I am currrently a teacher of. Would you like to get freebie in a form of 1-2 A4 pages of tips that you can begin to use immediately to get rid of 90% of your pain in three months into your mailbox? If so, drop me a line to kkleris on the gmail.com TAKE CARE! Klara

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      5. npoise

        Hi Carol,
        I am also using doTerra; following the anti-inflammatory protocol essential oils, LLV vitamins, deep blue polyphenol which consists of frankincense and curcumin. I tried to make my own turmeric tea but it doesn’t taste nice.

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      6. Savi

        HI everyone,

        I know I have asked a question related to AS last week. I have also been doing lot of research i.e.; Google and YouTube. I fell upon something called TMS by a particular American by the name of Dr Sarno and a theory on what causes us pain. May I ask you to do a search yourselves and do some reading/listening. I am talking with a guy who tells me that though he had hlb27 and was diagnosed with AS, he believes he is cured as he feels no symptoms anymore. Not done the blood works at the moment cos he feels that is not required at this stage.

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      7. carol skinner

        Fantastic your using Doterra, my Son who was originally told AS and I started the inflammation protocol and the infectious as he also had C-diff also known as bacteria related to AS that triggers major inflammation in the body/ We did the protocol weekly along with the Vit and the probiotics and Terazyme (food enzymes) He also used the Deep Blue. The Deep blue Poly is great too. So excited to see someone else get results. Anyways he after a month or so improved a lot, the Rheum said she felt he may have had reactive Arthritis but we really feel the oils played a huge part in it. He continues to do the protocol every couple of weeks for maintaince. Is feeling well and doing good. He does notice when he eats too much sugar or starch he feels off. His diet is so much better now and said the other day, that real food tastes good.

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        Hi Savi, I too have recently discovered TMS. I believe I have suffered from it for a long time, and as I have worked on the programme to recover, I have seen all sorts of problems fall away. But my AS does not seem to be helped by it. I know of a psychologist who works with people who have TMS and on this website it explicitly says that he cannot help people who have arthritis. That’s not to say that it mightn’t help some people. For example, I think some of my pain was due to TMS and some due to AS. Now the TMS-induced pain is gone and I am left with the much-lesser AS pain. So I am in less pain overall. People, if your pain cures entirely from TMS please do let us know! Asphyxia.

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      9. Savi

        That’s great to know. I will certainly keep you guys noted when I have sown thing to report back to. I found that lots of the pain in my lower back and neck were related to muscle tension as there is no major bone issue that I am aware of. I have also seen how I tend to have more flare ups during stress times.

        I used to have sciatica pains since I was 18 years which had nothing to do with my current si joint suspect fusions or AS for that matter. The back pains in te morning just started o be constantly present only during the last 5 or 6 years when I starte to have lots stress at work. But yeah, I am praying that it’s TMS as well and either way having a clear mind and a sound spirit as I a m a Christian will allow me to enjoy life more.

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  19. Taylor

    You have banged the nail on the head. You have answered so many questions for me. I have crohns disease and have just developed AS in my spine. I am on salazopyrin bit I do not have the B27 gene. Without the gene, do these diets still work? I have been lactose free for 5 years as this has helped my crohns dramatically, but am keen to give the vinegar and starch diet a go if it will help my AS.

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    1. Carol

      Just had dinner with my Son today and he was saying that his inflammation markers are down from 15 to 5 and that the average person is a 2. It has been since January he was Diagnosed with AS, but as I mentioned earlier he has been on the Vit, etc also continued to do the Essential Oils which I truly believe play a huge part in this. He is feeling good, the last month has progressively getting better. The only meds he was on was for two days at half dose which he reacted too and went off them. Has also just introduce a couple of foods back into his diet. So will be seeing Rheum soon as at his last visit mentioned she is suspecting maybe Reactive Arthritis not AS. Just frustrating when the GP says one thing and you think that is what you have and then the Rheum says differant. Will have to see what Rheum says on next appt.

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    2. Carol

      The Doterra Digestive blend has been a great assistance in Crohns , read the reviews on it. Type in Doterra Digestvie blend and check it out. This company has amazing products and have seen so many people benefit from them myself and my Son, friends.

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    3. reflexologyandmassage

      Thank-you for your information! I also found this blog full of the most helpful information that I have found so far. I have AS and Crohn’s disease. I recently had a full colectomy and ileostomy due to severe fistulas and blockage which wasn’t controlled by the Humira and other drugs. The AS bothers me mostly in the back and ankles and lower legs. I get muscle cramps mostly in the lower legs and feet especially if I have been on my feet or walked even a short distance. I am going to try the vinegar water starting today! I eat some starches because I tried the diet last year and couldn’t get enough weight to stay on me, and it didn’t seem to be helping, so I gave up. I am gluten free, which put me in almost remission for 4 years. Have been dairy free for 15-20 years. But have discovered that I can tolerate sheep yogurt and cheese and goat cheese, which I love! Sheep yogurt and cheese is the closest to human milk, and I still quite delishish. I stay away from sugar, and use stevia mostly, or a tiny bit of honey. I am considering adding black strap molasses to the vinegar drink, because my cousin does that and likes it. I have found essential oils helpful, but not enough for the pain and tight tendons and muscles. Massage is essential and helps, but still get leg cramps, even though I take magnesium and electrolyte water. Meditation and yoga has helped the most I think. I try to do a little every morning. Great comments on here. Lots of helpful ideas which I have written down. Thank-you all!

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  20. bluebayoudevil

    Thank you so much for this post. A lot of helpful info here. Appreciate your documenting and sharing your experience. I was wondering about your “kombucha” recipe. Are you referring to the vinegar water plus ginger infusion (BTW, how much of the ginger infusion to you add?)? I was under the impression that kombucha was made from fermented tea, but I don’t know much about it. Do you let yours ferment? If the kombucha you were talking about is some other concoction, would you mind sharing that recipe as well? Many thanks!

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  21. Inderjyot singh

    I am inder from India. Currently i am suffering from AS and hlab27 positive. 5 months back, pain started in back and then in my knees and elbow. So my doctor suggested me for hlab27 test because my dad also had AS. I was taking naproxen and indocap but the effect is very little. Now i am on herbal med and the effect is good. I read all your comments and now i will follow low starch diet. Thank you so much.

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    1. thebestof1986

      Hi all,

      I am pain free after 8 years of AS and intense and often pain. I am 30yo and without meds and without any special diet. I am back to gymnastics and really happy about it. I am happy to share with you my tips on how I am doing what I am doing. I am from Prague, Czech Republic so if you are around and would love to have a friend and helping hand on your journey to painfree, fit and happy life, let me know. I am going to be in Miami from the 7th March to 16th of March so if you are around there I am happy to meet with you. I have tried low starch, glutenfree(great for my gut and makes me lean but not big effect on my AS),paleo diet(tasty but not big influence on AS), ayurveda(really good foot mood and health in general), physiogymnastics, yoga (exercises helped to stretch but meditation brought really pure insight into what is true cause of my AS-I still practice this), practicing thankfulness (huge bingo!!-I keep this on), practicing forgiving (awesome effect, especially forgiving to myself for playing the victim and allowing $h!t into my life-became my new thoughtbase), curcuma doses daily (great for inflammation in combo with low starch diet before I began with meditation and other “head” activities, writing a journal (just for myself to have a space to think for myself and observe what thought pattern there are in my head- saying good bye to all shoulds, welcoming all happy thoughts, saying thank you, smile and good bye to all worries-this I do whenever I notice these thoughts, many times a day and I found out there are less and less of them over time), doing as little things as possible for others and as many as I can to make me feel good, often I find things that I used to do for others which I in fact do for myself but make myself look and sound as “Good person” by old thinking that I help someone when in fact I help others for my own good feeling if I wouldn’t feel good from other persons happiness I wouldn’t bother. As often as I can I do what makes me happy. My very important question whenever I stop and wonder what now is: What will make me happy now? Get better soon. If you would like to join me on my path of healing from AS get in touch via email KKLERIS that you find on gmail.com. I am looking forward to hear from you! Klára

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      1. thebestof1986

        I forgot to say I am HLA- B27 positive. And has been diagnosed two years ago and within 12 months I, with help of different professionals, communities, friends, doctors, nutritions, physiotherapists, meditation teachers, people who healed from AS, got a clear picture of what changes in my lifestyle and thinking I could take if I wanted to be pain-free. I am glad I did take them and am free, fit and happy now. If I did it, you can too. It’s totally feasible. 🌿

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  22. Andy Musselman

    Ive been diagnosed and treated for (HLAB27 +) AS for roughly 12 years. Ive had great success with Remicade, however I don’t want to continue this treatment because of possible side effects and the excessive cost. I appreciate your research. This article has been more than helpful.

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  23. Megan

    I just wanted to say thank you. A friend sent me a link to your article and I feel connected for once with someone else and their story. I do carry the HLA-B27 gene. I had salmonella in June 2008 and spent three days in the hospital. September 2008, I started displaying the symptoms of AS and it’s been a struggle ever sense. I have also been diagnosed with Mixed Connective Tissue Disease. At first they diagnosed me with Lupus, but then did more blood work and diagnosed me with AS. My biggest help is ‘Stay in Motion’, something in motion stays in motion, or that’s my thought process. If I don’t walk, play with my three boys, etc, I will be stiff and sore for days. I have to keep up with my boys, clean like there’s no tomorrow, and enjoy the outdoors. Thank you again for your article, it has helped me. Sometimes, I feel like the knee, hip, and back pain are in my head, because a person shouldn’t hurt this much. I was on so many medications, but stopped them all two years ago, I’ve had my ups and downs with AS, but I’m not letting it win. I am going to try the fish oils again, low starch diet, and also the vinegar. Thanks again.

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  24. Donny

    So my dr Rheumatologist diagnosed me with AS and i do have the gene. I’ve had ankle surgery and knee surgery on left leg. Swelling is constantly there and painful as HECK. I tried colchicine my body reacted to that with leg swelling. She is starting me on Humira quite frankly it scares me cause of possible side effects. My gf is very big on natural cures. What are anyones thoughts? 37 Male

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    1. Jennifer

      There is a wonderful group on Facebook called the Low Starch/No Starch Diet for AS – look it up and join that group. I have found it to be very helpful and very positive. Everyone there is very much trying to control AS mainly through a Low/No Starch Diet – seemingly with a lot of positive results. Good Luck.

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    2. Carol

      A good anti inflamatory Vitiamin and probiotics \, food enzynes/ essential oils have been very effective in my sons life. I just shared a update today. The low starch, no dairy, no gluten too.

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  25. John

    Have you ever heard of someone having issues with their heart or lungs due to undiagnosed AS? Spefically Pericarditis (inflammation of the pericardium) and/or pnuemothoraxs’ (collapsed lung).

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    1. AFriend

      Yes, there’s plenty of research about it – google “ankylosing spondylitis lungs”.

      I have AS for more than 20 years, recently had serious lung problems (severe bleeding).

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  26. Rick

    What where your first symptoms? I don’t know if I have the disease. And does the disease become worse trough the years that pass?

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  27. Patricia Cook

    I began experiencing sharp pain and stiffness in my right hand. This pain always occurs in the morning and may not go away. I thought that I hurt my hand somehow but I could not remember what I did. I also began to experience extreme fatigue and malaise. About 4 months later, I went to the doctor and after many repeat blood tests to rule out Lyme disease and Lupus, I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis (RA). I was adjusting to the medications Plaquenil and methotrexate, but they make me feel sick also. I had a ringing in my ears and loss of appetite. I sometimes had problems writing, dressing, or writing with my right hand.When the medication no longer helps, i was introduced to Health herbal clinic in Johannesburg who have successful herbal treatment to rheumatoid arthritis diseases. I spoke to few people who used the treatment here in United States and they all gave a positive response, so i immediately purchased the rheumatoid arthritis herbal remedy and commenced usage, i used the herbal supplement for only 5 weeks, all symptoms gradually faded away, herbs are truly gift from God. contact this herbal clinic via their email healthherbalclinic @ gmail. com

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  28. Alina

    Thank you so much for all the important information that you described. Unfortunately I have also AS and your page give me a lot of advice that I will put in practice. Thank you so much!!. Many blessings for you and your family. -Alina

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  29. sharol wasson

    thks for info. my husband has AS. we would like as much info as possible. hes had it along time. just recently got told he had AS.

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  30. Georgia

    I’m just curious about the Vinegar Kombucha. I make my own kombucha. Do you just add Apple Cider Vinegar to Kombucha? Is it the same ratio as it is to water?
    Thank You

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      1. Georgia

        Thank you. Also, do you drink 1 litre per day or 4 per day? How long does the ginger water last in the fridge. Sorry, I’m a recipe follower:) Just had labs drawn yesterday. Even if my test come back negative, I’m hoping the apple cider/kombucha will help with the inflammation that is going on in the low back. Thank you for all the information and the long hours of research you poured into this. You are helping so many people.

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  31. Becky Busch

    Thank you for sharing your information. My husband was recently diagnosed with AS and is in severe pain. I will be starting a routine vinegar diet for him asap. We’re praying that his AS symptoms will be “put away” as it is ruining his every day life and breaking him down.

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  32. Nathan Myers

    I supposedly have a klebsiella infection in my gut with slightly elevated levels as shown on lab results. I gained 60 lbs in a year, have multiple food allergies and can’t stop eating now. I can eat huge meals and never be even slightly full. It’s only rarely I’ll feel full for a few hours at the most, and every other time I’m walking around with a completely empty stomach. It’s as if there’s no point in eating because there’s no satiety signal whatsoever. Have been to a couple doctors, a couple naturopaths (figured they might have some idea) and nothing has worked. Was prescribed “natural” antibacterials, told to take a probiotic and limit starches and certain foods. I can’t figure out how to make progress towards reducing Klebsiella numbers. This must be a very resistant strain. I’m beginning to think this is irreversible.

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  33. Patty

    I have been diagnosed with As and it seems to effect my chest cavity wall, ribs and my lungs. My Dr wants me to start these terrible drugs and I don’t want to. There are so many terrible side effects. Someone mentioned also taking turmeric. Have you heard of this? Does the apple cider vinegar help stop the disease from progression? I am going to start drinking the apple cider vinegar. Before I came across this site I felt very alone with the diagnosis of AS. Thank you

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  34. Asphyxia

    I tried turmeric but didn’t find it helpful. The apple cider vinegar has stopped the progression of the disease for me.

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